Millennials Generation Lazy?
A new survey shows that people think millennials, people born in the 1980s and early 1990s, are lazy and unmotivated. Ana Kasparian, Cenk Uygur, Steve Oh, Jayar Jackson and Jesus Godoy debate on The Young Turks. www.chicagotribune.com Subscribe to The Young Turks: bit.ly Find out how to watch The Young Turks on Current by clicking here: www.current.com The Largest Online New Show in the World. Google+: www.gplus.to Facebook: www.facebook.com Twitter: twitter.com
@sc0pl355 1. It doesn’t. What’s your point.
2. Says; the guy who has been in a Youtube comments debate with me for at least two days.
3. That completely defeats what you’re saying. You’re trying to say that accomplishing more automatically makes you less lazy regardless of the amount of activity actually involved. If that’s not what you’re saying – as far as *I* can tell you’ve been arguing with me for nothing. And there really are only *so many* hours in a day… So no. It’s not me.
@sc0pl355 It wasn’t a substitute what he said has no relevance. If he said “The sky is pink.” in the same context I still would have called him a stupid fuck, because the ‘argument’ is proof that that’s what he is.
@Saaduk92 So you ignore (or are otherwise ignorant of) your own straw man. And if I call you an idiot it’s because it’s an ad hominem, even though it’s obvious that you are – in fact – a stupid fuck (based on the straw man). But if you call *me* an idiot, my pointing that out to *you* is somehow wrong because my statements are ‘incredibly stupid’, congratulations you win both the irony, and hypocrisy award of the day. Do not pass ‘GO’ do not collect $200
@nsx1com your statement of the younger generation being statistically less productive and feeling more entitled was not backed up by fact. We havent been to the moon again because the older generation desires tax cuts over funding for manned space exploration.
And please goto apple and tell some of the brightest engineers in the world that knowing how to work an iphone or ipod doesnt make them more productive. Simply put, if you cant use modern tech, you sure as hell cant design it.
@futurestoryteller
Nice strawman. I noted what you wrote (as in, ignoring the hypocrisy and idiocy behind your statements and failing to back them up) and then called you an idiot because that’s what you are.
You, on the other hand, just called me a “stupid fuck” because I displayed just how incredibly stupid your statements were.
Continue avoiding this, though.
@futurestoryteller Look, as much as I don’t like Saaduk, you did use an Ad Hominem attack against him when he said so. You said: “You are really a stupid fuck – and trust me - I didn’t see that coming.” without addressing what he said as a means of ending the debate. That’s an Ad Hominem attack
He fucking called you and idiot WHILE addressing what you actually said. Calling someone a name by itself isn’t an Ad Hominem attack. Calling them a name as a substitute for countering what they said is
@futurestoryteller ALSO, I never made a statement as to what generation you’re from. All I said was that it was funny that you were complaining about people being lazy while you’re using a very NON-work related subject with unrealistic factors to make a point that doesn’t fit the realities behind work ethic. Seriously, Baby Boomers came from the same generation that produced Hippies. Can’t tell me that they worked any harder than anyone else. Human nature doesn’t change that fast.
@futurestoryteller 1) You said “That doesn’t mean they’re putting more effort into their work ” Not me, you.
2) TV’s not work and it doesn’t accomplish anything.
3) Hmm, Let’s see, people spend the same amount of time at work as they did 20 years ago, if not more. The tools that people use today existed 20 years ago. Same tools, same hours = same effort. The difference is that our PLANNING and PREPARATION is more effective today. You’re the one that just wants to be right.
@sc0pl355 1. Where do you even get that from?
2. I am a millennial dumbass. And the fact that you would imply that people who watch tv – at all – are lazy, proves your lack of argumentative skills and pension for silly stereotypes. Not to mention how jaded you *clearly* are.
3. HAHA! That doesn’t prove anything. Where’s your ‘effort meter’ Mr. Scientist? You have no validation of anything you’re saying. You just want to be right.
@Saaduk92 You called me an idiot. You *must* be ignoring my argument and thus using an ad hominem.
@BarbaraJD I remember Commodore 64s.
My boss can run circles around me on the mechanical aspects of the machinery at work, but I can do the same to him when it comes to the computer stuff.
I have found out though that in life, who you know is way more important than what you can do unfortunately.
@futurestoryteller
Nonsense. You wrote that we should “realize that technology allows people to be slightly lazier every generation”. BASED ON YOUR WORDS I wrote that if technology equates with supposed laziness then you advocate us going backwards to become more “active”.
You then realised how stupid you sounded and have done your best to avoid addressing the point since.
Only a degenerate like yourself would consider the term “ad hominem” fancy.
@futurestoryteller
That’s exactly what you did, idiot. You wrote;
“You are really a stupid fuck – and trust me – I didn’t see that? coming.”
By definition, that was an ad hominem.
One thing I’m so tired of hearing is adults saying shit like “your generation is the generation to fix everything and make this world a better place.” Yeah, you know why? Because all the older generation fucks got to have all the fun in their lives and now look how this world has turned into. Teenagers today are expected to go to college and excell. They aren’t even allowed to have fun anymore, well, because everything that was considered “fun” to teens in the 70s/80s is now banned or illegal.
I actually feel bad for the generations 1985+, do you all understand how hard their lives are going to be in the next ten years, when they’re all in college, raising a family, paying bills, everything will be so much harder than it is now. I’m only 15 and I’m scared for how hard my generation’s lives will be when we all are trying to raise a family.
in sweden 25% of the young pepol are unemploeyd however thise guys can do most adults work 250% faster more afficent and better yet thire stuck in the 90s thinking older better
@futurestoryteller Look, case in point, I’m a graphic artist that works for a prinshop. We use high-end, high volume laser printers to print our jobs out instead of using an offset printing press. It’s not ‘lazy’ to use a laser as opposed to an offset press. It’s smart and efficient because we don’t have time or money to fuck around with making plates or remaking plates if there is an error. I can go from concept to fully illustrated book in your hands in 4 hours vs a day or two the old way.
@futurestoryteller 1) Quote me saying that they used more effort. I said that they put in the same amount of effort and achieve greater results.
2) I’m not the jaded one here. It’s just funny that you’re on here talking about TV while calling millennials lazy.
3) Let’s see, we build things faster and better than they were built 20 years ago. We move things faster and more efficiently than they were 20 years ago. Nobody’s job has really become that much easier in the last 20 years.
@futurestoryteller 1) Quote me saying that they used more effort. I said that they put in the same amount of effort and achieve greater results.
2) I’m not the jaded one here. It’s just that you seem to think that people that think for a living can’t lift, which is silly.
3) Let’s see, we build things faster and better than they were built 20 years ago. We move things faster and more efficiently than they were 20 years ago. Nobody’s job has really become that much easier in the last 20 years.
@Saaduk92 Since your argument is unrelated to the point I was making, being fallacious in it’s own way – as a rather alarmingly idiotic straw man; I see no point in pretending you’re a person to be taken seriously. No matter how many ‘fancy’ words and phrases you *think* you have in your wheelhouse
@Saaduk92 “Ad Hominem is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it”
“Gratuitous verbal abuse or “name-calling” itself is not an ad hominem”
I didn’t say; “fuck what you said because you’re an idiot” (though I suppose that *would* actually be valid) Instead: What you *said* leads me to the conclusion that you are an idiot. Besides. You have to present an argument for an ad hominem fallacy to take place.
@sc0pl355 “Look dude, my first job out of high school was working as a day laborer. I can tell you right now that job was infinitely easier than what I do now.”
Hmm. I’m sure you do think that. That’s a highly personal opinion.
@sc0pl355 “2. Characterized by lack of effort or activity.”
“You were saying that the present generation is lazy because they use more effective ways of doing things.”
REALLY? I used *those* words?
“ANYBODY can move a box from point a to point b but only a few people actually think enough to use a tool to move TEN boxes instead.”
This doesn’t even support what you’re talking about…
@futurestoryteller
An ad hominem is a personal attack rather then addressing the argument. You did so by calling me a “stupid fuck”.
This was once I pointed out your moronic logic which assumed that technological advancement made humanity lazy. Following that idiocy I mentioned that we should repeal ALL technology as only then would your ideaologue remain consistent.
Since then you’ve bitched and avoided the point to save face. How embarrassing.
@futurestoryteller “You opinion on laziness is just that – an opinion – and not a definition.”
Really?
Let’s see what the definition of lazy is.
lazy |ˈlāzē|
adjective ( lazier , laziest )
1 unwilling to work or use energy
What did I fucking say?
“Laziness is the unwillingness to do work not finding better ways to get work done.”
Look dude, my first job out of high school was working as a day laborer. I can tell you right now that job was infinitely easier than what I do now.